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Bauerboyz2

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I use them at times. But if you use the dodger ( like the Les Davis ) you have to run only dodgers behind your boat, because they run at a different speed. It's all about changing up to get them to bite some times. When I fish for kings in lakes before they hit the river, I exclusively use chrome dodgers.

Feb 8, 2010 3:29AM

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If a company put a new UV GLOW dodger I bet it would catch some fishermen. But I have seen many dodgers in the shop for a while...maybe cuz they dont work well with hootchies.

Feb 8, 2010 8:23PM

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cableguy wrote: If a company put a new UV GLOW dodger I bet it would catch some fishermen. But I have seen many dodgers in the shop for a while...maybe cuz they dont work well with hootchies. That's probably true about hootchies. I use a cut plug or a fly setup with my dodger and troll very slow so that the dodger just waves back and forth slowly.......

Feb 9, 2010 5:34AM

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I havent used a dodger for close to 20 years.

Feb 9, 2010 8:46PM

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There are times when dodgers give me a definite edge over the competition
especially when fishing in hard pounded areas like Browns Bay in early August. The new Yamaha outboard four stroke fifties we use at the lodge have an idle control that allows us to fish at lower speeds than ever before and so I am able to fish dodgers again. I have a few carefully preserved Tom Mack deep dimpled dodgers and Gibbs dodgers from the old blueback days that I keep hid away for the August doldrums. A lot of years back I watched an underwater video of dodgers working behind a down rigger and the host mentioned that the dodgers were meant to simulate the beating of a salmons tail as if another fish may have just missed the bait. I think that is a more accurate description than the old story of the dodger giving action to the lure. At any rate I fish an anchovy in a red JDF UV teaser head about forty inches behind the dodger and fish at about forty to fifty feet down, as tight to the kelp beds and cliff sides as I can possibly get. This setup often allows me to pull a chinook out of a tight group of boats that was too spooked to hit a conventional flasher and anchovy combination.

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tyeefisher - thats some good info. funny cause we have been talking about possibly pulling out some old dodgers next season to give them a try and its always nice to have something different to drag behind the boat when you are in a crowd. ------------------------------------ Check out my fishing blog and guide service, The Rambling Fisherman click here

Feb 10, 2010 12:17AM

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Ive been known to drag one of my stash of pal #3's Funny only drag them in the summer and it always seem that nothing under 25 grabs it???

Feb 10, 2010 3:13AM

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fishaholic wrote:
Ive been known to drag one of my stash of pal #3's

Funny only drag them in the summer and it always seem that nothing under 25 grabs it???

I can't say I am surprised about that, it has also been my experience that my biggest fish come in while fishing with the dodger, and of course this is mere speculation but what if those big fish just simply can't catch a lure behind a flasher or simply don't want to spend the calories to catch up with it.

Feb 10, 2010 3:49AM

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T-Fisher:- you using the biggest dodgers you can get your hands on? ------------------------------------ For sale:- One pet Seal and 900 yards of rope with a harness........trained to catch Chinooks that are over 30lbs. only.

Feb 10, 2010 7:53PM

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T-Fisher:- you using the biggest dodgers you can get your hands on?

I don't use the no.1 ABE n AL or the Gibbs Skipper flashers for fishing in crowded conditions for migrating mature chinook just the regular eleven inch dodgers that were so common twenty years ago, I could make dodgers out of the two flashers I mentioned earlier, simply by stepping on them but I choose to use the old Gilbert crippled herring dodgers, the old reliable Tom Mack and of course the Pal 3 series of dodgers that Fishaholic mentioned. What I am looking for is not a flasher to throw a lure around, I would prefer that the anchovy spins with just the bullet roll presentation created by the teaser head and that the dodger sends out that signature tail wagging action that they were designed for. The dodger tends to work best in under 80 feet of water and fished slower than other gear.

Many types of dodgers including many from Gibbs Stamping can still be bought in garage sales and other places that sell used tackle as their uses have been largely ignored in recent years but as most people are now using four stroke outboards that can be throttled right back, they could stage a bit of a come back. I do use the bigger ABE n ALs and Skipper flashers for feeding chinook early in the summer but I want to cover the reasons for that on another thread soon.

Feb 11, 2010 1:45AM

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tyeefisher, do you just use the straight chrome versions of those dodgers or a different pattern? ------------------------------------ New Fishing Show!!! www.catchingon.tv

Feb 11, 2010 1:52AM

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tyeefisher, do you just use the straight chrome versions of those dodgers or a different pattern?

The chrome seems to work just fine, I have tried the dodgers with the prism paper and the painted ones and last year I picked up some Silver Horde glow in the dark dodgers and I never caught much on them either so I went back to the chrome and nickle old timers and managed to bag a dozen
good chinook during a tough couple of weeks in August when the fishing was pretty slow. Whether the same thing works next year, you never really know. There have been plenty of times in the past when I thought I had a technique dialed in and it failed to produce the next season.

Feb 11, 2010 4:51AM

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Speaking of Dodgers:- I was told by a guy at Gone Fishin' that commercial fishers were coming in and buying a case of #3 Gibbs dodgers (about 5 inches long), and throwing a hook on the back of them and then fishing them as spoons with good results.

This was after a conversation I had with him reading the fact that a salmon will often go after the flasher...especially if it is the ''chrome-plaid'' version. So I figured I'd get a couple of those 5'' Micro-flashers from Hotspot (they only come in Watermelon right now), reface 'em with the Chrome-plaid tape and put ahook on the back of them...and see what happens.

Only problem is..it's almost impossible to get that chrome-plaid tape.
Hotspot and O'ki get theirs from Witchcraft in the States by the large roll.Too expensive for the average guy.

So he said just use the #3 dodger....forget the tape...just put a hook on it. I guess when you troll fast it turns over and wobbles like a spoon anyway.

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Feb 11, 2010 6:11PM

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Hooker how do you know salmon will go after and bite an 11'' plaid flasher? It sounds a bit fishy to me to be a fact. Sure I have a few ''teeth marks'' all over the back end of my flasher too but I'm pretty sure thats from scraping bottom. I'd love for someone to prove me wrong though. ------------------------------------ New Fishing Show!!! www.catchingon.tv

Feb 11, 2010 6:43PM

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Talk to Robert Van Pelt @ Pac.Net & Twine in Parksville...he's had quite a few encounters with this...which is why he had the RVP plug custom designed by Tomic (which is a clear ''insert'' plug with the chrome plaid tape inside).

If you check out Jan/Feb Island Fisherman, that's him on the photo page with a huge Chinook he took off Gabriola using that plug.

He was getting tired of them hitting his flashers...(which happened to be chrome-plaid)....

There's also another thread in here somewhere with a person who fishes off West Coast complaining about the same thing...fish hitting his flasher.

Now..teeth marks don't necessarily equate with salmon...as T-Fisher pointed out awhile back. They could be other species like Rockfish etc.

But Robert Van Pelt swears it's salmon that were hitting his flashers.

Personally I think it's the chrome-plaid tape that drives the fish crazy...and any other tape like ''hexalite'' or generic prism tape will not have the same effect if at all.

BTW:- after surfing the net looking for Witchcraft tape, turns out it is available in smaller quantity 2-packs at Fishticker.com

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Next time Im in PNT I'll ask RVP about that. Its the first Ive ever heard of salmon attacking full size flashers. ------------------------------------ New Fishing Show!!! www.catchingon.tv

Feb 12, 2010 6:29PM

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Feb 20th/010:- Cory...I happened to be out Saturday fishing.
I had two of these Monkey-Puke Sea-Kings (the ones shaped like a fish) that had never been used before..
Not a scratch on 'em.

Fished these for a couple of hours.
After....I looked at them and noticed:- right where the bend in the tail is on these things,on the chrome side......teeth marks clearly evident.

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Feb 21, 2010 6:17PM

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Years ago when the coho were readily available here in CR we fished dodgers early in the season till mid July. We used the small apex lures: green, black, pink & orange behind a dodger. The theory was the coho were feeding mostly on shrimp. Did quite well with the springs too----but way too many shakers!

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Ive used them for sockeye with good success... very shorts leaders and as slow as you can go i meannn sloww even stopping sometimes seems to do the trick. Best set up is with a gibbs pink 1 and a quarter inch?''ultra''lure..the ''crocs'' dont seem to work.

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